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Terrington 2020 Project - Interview with Anne Hartas

Date of interview: 2014
Interviewer: Alan Baddeley
Transcribed by: Carol Woodhead

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Transcript of interview

Can you give your full name?

I can. It’s Ann Elizabeth Hartas. I was born Ann Elizabeth Armitage.

Your father and mother’s names and occupations?

I was born in December 1940. My father was Randolph Armitage. He was a joiner and decorator. My mother was Ethel Mary Armitage and she was a housewife.

Right! Like my mum. Where did you grow up in Terrington?

Well I was actually born at Thorn Farm, which is just out of the village. I was born there because at that time my aunt and uncle lived there, but we actually did live at Birkdale Farm, which is on the end of Cemetery Lane. My family farmed there. We left there in 1943 when I was nearly three and came up to Terrington to The Yews which is in the main street. My uncle and aunt went down to the farm and we came up to The Yews. I stayed there at The Yews until 1958, when my mother and father built a house in the village, Stonebow, which has just been sold, and I lived there until I got married.

Who lived with you, at the various houses?

At Birkdale there was my mother and father, grandma and my uncle, my mother’s brother. We left there at came up to The Yews and the same people, mother, father, grandma and this bachelor uncle, came up as well but he farmed with his brother at Mowthorpe at the time but he actually lived with us and when we went up to live at Stonebow,– grandma had died, and there was just mum and dad. My father was a joiner and decorator. He worked for a firm in York and then he started his own business in 1947 in the village.

How did he get into and out of York?

He drove. We had a car – we had a car. For the first two years of their marriage they did live at Haxby, so that was handy for him, but then they had to come back because my mum had to come back to look after Grandma, so he did go by car.

What sort of food did you eat? Because it would have been rationing, wasn’t it?

Yes, it was, but it didn’t register with me personally. We ate very well – being in the country, we had our own hens and we always had a pig. There was a pig club in the village. I don’t know how it was really run, but you were only allowed one pig. I remember having it at The Yews and you killed it. And there was a pig club where you bought pig food fro and that. And we had our own vegetable garden and fruit trees. To me, we ate very well and living in the country we didn’t notice it as much. Yes, there was rationing, sugar and like, but I can’t say we were …

I remember we had one egg a week …

Yes, you see, we had the hens. And also, with being on the farm and my uncle and auntie being there, we had rabbits and hares, I can remember eating.

And what sort of clothes did you wear, if you can remember?

Well yes, I don’t remember ever wearing trousers. I don’t think when I was young I didn’t wear trousers, it was more skirts and blouses and I can remember when you were getting dressed up – probably more in your early teens, you always had your stiff underskirts, printed dresses and such like.

And did you get a new outfit every year?

I was very lucky, because my mother was one of nine and of those nine, there were only two grandchildren. My mother and one sister and two brothers lived in the village and they had no family, any of those in the village. I wasn’t spoiled, by any means, but I did get more with them … one aunt who lived away, she was a very good dressmaker and used to make things. Yes, I always had plenty of clothes.

And I suppose clothes rationing wasn’t so noticeable in those days?

Well no, it wasn’t. I didn’t notice it. In fact, my mother was quite a good dressmaker and that aunt particularly was, and they used to make me things. I didn’t notice it.

And did you have a new outfit every Whitsuntide?

Oh yes, on that time, Spring coming in. Whitsun or Easter. Yes we used to...

Would that have been a special occasion? Because we used to go around in Whitsuntide clothes.

No, I can’t remember that. I don’t think so.

And how about games? Who did you play with as a child?

Erm, well the girls in the village. Hermione Foster who lives in the village she was one and she is still in the village. We used to … when we lived at The Yews there was a hen house in the yard. We had fields as well, cattle and that, it was a smallholding, and we had this hen house in the yard. Mum used to have chickens in it for a short while in the Spring, then the chickens used to go out into the fields and we scrubbed it all out and it was a playhouse and I remember we played in that for a long time, and some of the girls in the village used to come. I remember decorating it all with conkers at conker time and I loved that hut. It wasn’t square, it was an oblong one, and we spent hours in that hut. And I used to go up to Marnie’s. I was never one to do with sport. I wasn’t a sporty person at all.

You mentioned you had a smallholding. Can you tell me a bit more about that?

Yes, well, The Yews – we had thirty acres, I think. It belonged to my mother’s family. The farm where we were, it was rented from Castle Howard. While we were down at the farm until I was three, we had The Yews, it was built for the Ellerby family. Our family have been in Terrington since 1630 something – I can trace it back. The Yews always has belonged to us. So it was let and we went down to the farm when my mum was young. She was the youngest of nine and we stayed there until 1943. We came back to The Yews and one of my aunts and uncle who lived in the village – in fact they lived at the cottage there - went down to the farm. There was 30 acres with The Yews so it was farmed along with Mowthorpe Farm. The two uncles…

So they were farmed together?

They were farmed together, in a way. But then uncle and auntie left the farm in about ’58 and they came and bought The Lodge so then of course we had nothing to do with the farm then so the uncle who lived with us at The Yews, Uncle John, he farmed bullocks and he used to have corn as well. Somebody else used to combine it and do it for him cos he hadn’t the implements for just thirty acre so after he decided to part he passed it on to my mother, who passed it on to me, so Geoff and I had it until we left The Yews.

So what happened then? Did you sell it with The Yews?

Yes, after we got married in ….. we went down to Prospect Farm and we lived there for a while.

What sort of things did your family celebrate? Christmas? Birthdays?

Oh yes, as I say I was the only granddaughter. There was a grandson but he was 15 years older than me. He was the son of one of the older, my mother’s older sister, so he was 15 years older than me, but we always used to congregate at The Yews. The aunts from Ilkley, they used to live at Ilkley those particular ones, they used to come, we were real family orientated so they used to come at Christmas, birthdays, any event like that. The Coronation. They were all here, all here for the Coronation.

So how many of you would there be, then?

Well, there would be – cos there were no grandchildren of course, so that cut it down a bit! There would have been 12, or 14, 15, depending on who could come. Yes, they all used to come. They seemed to make it their headquarters, they all use do come That was the family home. Grandma lived there, you see. Grandad died just after we’d come back to Terrington in ’43 so she lived there. That was one reason why my mum and co came back there, to look after her. The youngest daughter, she had to look after her.

I know. My mum was the only daughter so she looked after my grandad until he was in his ‘90s which wasn’t always easy.

No! Grandma was very deaf. And in them days there wasn’t the hearing aids that we have now. Geoff says that’s why I’ve got such a loud voice at times! I was that I was used to shouting at her.

So what was discipline like at home? Were your parents strict?

To a certain extent, yes. But I can’t say over strict. No, I couldn’t go out sometimes when others friends could going out.

Why was that?

I don’t know. I think they thought where they were going wasn’t suitable, but I wouldn’t say they were strict. They were very fair really. They were marvellous really.

So, moving on to school. Where did you go to Primary School?

I started at Terrington School from The Yews. I used to walk there, of course, up to school. I left there just before I was eight and went to St Andrews, a private school at Malton. I went on the bus. There was a bus going to Malton because there were some at the grammar school, going on the bus, then so I went on the bus to St Andrews.

That would be the regular service bus, was it?

Isn’t it funny – I just can’t remember. It must have been the service bus as there wouldn’t have been enough of us – I mean, going to the grammar school, as far as I can remember, it must have been the service bus. I know I went on the bus. Then when I was 11 I passed my 11 plus and went to the grammar school.

Yes – that was also in Malton?

But that must have been a service bus because, at that time, there would only be two or three from this village actually at the grammar school so we wouldn’t have had a school bus as such so we must have had passes to go.

So were the buses fairly regular then?

Oh yes, there was no problem. The service bus then used to leave Terrington, I think it was quarter past eight on a morning. There was one every day, and it came back just after five. I think it left Malton about 5 past 5 so anyone that was working could leave work at 5 and catch the bus.

Was there anything that happened after school after 5 o’clock?

No, I don’t think there was that sort of thing in them days. I wasn’t that school orientated so I can’t remember anything, because I wasn’t into sport. I mean we played sport at school – we did netball, tennis and rounders as lessons, but I wasn’t into teams afterwards.

You didn’t do drama or anything?

No, not at school. What I did, I learned to play the piano at home. I had a lady from Bulmer who used to come to The Yews. I can’t remember actually when I started, I wasn’t very old, and she used to come – every Saturday afternoon, I think – and then she got married and she didn’t want to come any more so I used to bike to Bulmer – she lived in Bulmer so I used to bike there – I took Music for my ‘O’ levels so I used to bike to Bulmer on a Saturday morning for my music lessons. I wasn’t into drama but I did like my music lessons.

Have you continued to play the piano?

No, unfortunately not! Something I regret! Well, after leaving there I went to Scarborough Tech and of course, I got in with that and work, so I do regret that, giving it up.

Right. What ‘O’ levels did you do?

Er - I did rather a lot. Maths was one of my favourite subjects and even now, dealing with money, it’s quite easy for me, using maths and suchlike. I didn’t do any languages but I remember doing Music, Domestic Science, History and Geography, Maths, English, English Literature, then when I went to the Tech I did typing and shorthand. There was an ‘O’ level - Commercial Law and Economics at the Tech.

How did you get to the Tech?

Well one reason that I went to Scarborough rather than York was because North Yorkshire, North Riding, would pay lodgings at Scarborough but not at York as it was York City Council, so I went to lodge at Scarborough. Our village policeman at the time had been at policeman in Scarborough and he knew several people and I lodged with a fisherman’s family, who were lovely. So my father used to take me to Malton early on a Monday morning early to catch the bus to Scarborough, then he would meet me – I would come back on the bus on Friday night and he would meet me in Malton and bring me home.

I should have asked you how many classes there were here in the school in Terrington? And how many children?

In Terrington there were two, and I would think forty or fifty children. I can remember Miss Wood was the teacher in the Infants, because I was only in the Infants. I didn’t go into the other. She lived in Sheriff and she would bike from Sheriff every day. Miss Brecon was the senior teacher. She married a Mr Goodwill and she was Robert Goodwill’s mother. She didn’t actually teach me, I had Miss Wood.

And did you like her?

Yes, I liked Miss Wood. I remember – I didn’t like her one day, because I used to come home for lunch and I remember going back after lunch and they were all sat there very quiet in the classroom after lunch and they were waiting for me – I wasn’t particularly late, but they were waiting for me. Somebody had been pinching radishes out of the school garden, so we all got the cane because nobody would own up. I don’t know that I had any cos wasn’t all that keen on radishes but …. Yes, of course, they gave you the cane in those days. But I can’t remember. I was very good!

How about the teachers in Malton?

At St Andrews the only one I sort of remember, who was really nice, was Miss Tong, but at the grammar school, I can’t remember much about it all.

Right. How long were you there?

I was there for five years but I still don’t remember much. I can’t remember their names. I remember one, a Miss Fraser who taught art, and of course I was no good at art – I can’t draw anything, but she put on my report "She does not try. She does not try at all". I did try, but I just couldn’t …. I can’t find all my reports, I can find my children but I can’t find mine – they must have got thrown out over the years!

Yes! I’ve got one "Written work careless"! So we’ve talked about punishments – caning, but you didn’t get into trouble much:

No, I didn’t. I wasn’t a goody goody, but I didn’t get into trouble much.

So how old were you when you left school?

Er, I left at 16, so I would have been 17 in the December, and then I went to the Tech for a year.

Right. And what happened after that?

I was very lucky. I got the first job I went after. It was at Earl Fitzwilliam’s Malton Estate Office. It’s up Old Maltongate I was lucky, I got that job and I stayed there until I left in ‘65 when my son was born. Yes, it was nice working there. It was a small office, just the Estate Agent. Yes I really enjoyed that. I used to go on the bus as I could go at quarter past eight and get up to work, then I left at five and I could catch the bus. I went on the bus until I got married and then I went in the car because I could get the housework done!

Ah yes, right. What did you do in your spare time when you were a teenager?

Well, as I say, I wasn’t into sport. I got engaged when I was 19. I just used to go about with friends. I suppose, to be fair, I didn’t do a lot really. I had some friends at the grammar school, who I’m still friendly with, who I still see. I used to go to their house and stay with them. We used to go to dances on our bikes.

Right. So where did you used to go to the dances?

When I went there that was to Amotherby. Of course, in Terrington there wasn’t the new village hall. The old village hall opened in 1954 so I was 13. My mother and father, all the aunts and uncles, were very involved with the village – the village hall committee, the church council – anything that was going on, they were involved with, so we were involved with all the things that were going on at the Village Hall. Money raising events - I was there helping, then of course in those days there was a dance practically every Friday night. Half a crown, if it was five shillings you got extra dressed up – it was very special at five shillings – but half a crown. And that was where they were a little bit strict ‘cos sometimes – most of the time they were there, because they were organising it. Sometimes they were organised from people away, but sometimes they wouldn’t let me go when one or two of my friends were going, but of course when I got older, then I went. We would go to things in the village hall.

What sort of things would happen in the village hall?

Well they had fetes and jumble sales which, in those days, you quite enjoyed. Because you see everything was in the village, wasn’t it? You couldn’t just jump into a car and go off like you do nowadays. My mum didn’t drive - she did learn to drive when she was in her 60s, but when I was young she didn’t drive and so we had to make our own entertainment. And we used to go to each other’s houses and we used to do things in the village hall – one thing I got quite interested in was stamp collecting. I still have them now – I don’t think they were worth anything. There was a young man in the village - he went to the grammar school, he was exactly two years older than me, to the day. His birthday the same date as mine. He lives away now, and I had an aunt who had no children we’d used to go to for company, who’d lost her husband many years before, so we used to go there with our stamp collection and I spent a lot of hours with Richard with our stamp collections.

And did you swap stamps?

Yes, we did.

Yes I did too – and even sold a few at school!

Yes, I move it when I’m cleaning and the stamp collection’s still there. And then I made friends who lived on a farm at Whenby, four or five miles away, and I used to go on the farm to her and do things on the farm. And I spent quite a bit of time at Mowthorpe. When we lived at The Yews, I used to go to the farm. Auntie and uncle liked me to go and I used to go and stay and do things on the farm – help with harvest, taking lunches out and things like that. And when I was about 14, another uncle and aunt had the village pub so I used to go there – not to drink! I used to go to help them, I used to clean for them on a Saturday and wash glasses and things. They used to pay me. It was pocket money, so I used to go there.

Was there just the one village pub at that time?

Yes, there was, just the one village pub. Mother and father, they weren’t really holiday makers. We didn’t go on holiday. I can’t remember going anywhere much – except we went to Boston in Lincolnshire to some friends, I wasn’t very old. We used to have some friends, we kept up with them for years – his mum and mine were school friends. Then we went to Coventry once, my father’s sister lived there. I think that’s all I remember – then for a lot of years I used to go to Ilkley for a fortnight. It was the highlight of my year! My aunt and uncle lived at Ilkley. That was when August Bank Holiday was at the beginning of August and they always came to the family for the Bank Holiday weekend, then they took me back and mum and dad usually came after a fortnight. I was packing for that holiday for a month before …

So what would you do for two weeks in Ilkley?

She used to take me about a lot. In those days there were two picture houses, cinemas in Ilkley. And I presume that, with it being the summer holidays, they’d show films that children, young people would like. So there were two picture houses and they changed the programme every week, so I went to the pictures four times in the fortnight. There was a theatre in Ilkley, we always used to go to that. Uncle was a bank manager in Bradford, so we used to go to Bradford and go to lunch with him then he would take us in the afternoon to Morecambe. Then we used to go on to the moors, Ilkley Moors. I used to love the moors – the Cow and Calf. My auntie actually lived at Ben Rhydding, a suburb of Ilkley, and I would go on the bus, just on my own, and catch the bus into Ilkley because when I used to go, all the aunts and uncles used to give me money to go with, but I always used to bring them each a little present back. I remember going round the shops in Ilkley and I would spend hours trying to find little presents to bring home. I used to love that fortnight. I really did. As far as the village goes, we used to have a trip once a year to Scarborough. A village trip. We’d had money raising events to raise the money, I don’t remember when it started, but from when I remember there’d be four or five coaches out of the village.

Four or five? So how big was the village then?

Well I don’t know, but everybody went. Because there weren’t cars in them days, then the bus dwindled down and then it stopped. I can’t remember when it stopped, but we all got half a crown, all the children. So that was a great occasion. We always looked forward to that. That’s a photograph taken on the beach on one of our trips. That’s the farm I was brought up at, down at Mowthorpe, years and years ago. And that’s The Yews. And that’s one of Mowthorpe taken when we lived there.

Can I take these and have them copied? Some people pronounce it Mowthorpe [like Cow. Editor] and some Mowthorpe [like Show. Editor]?

I always pronounced it Mowthorpe

[like Cow. Editor]

. That’s a nice one of Mowthorpe, that was when we lived there. It says on the back of this one "two visitors". Well my aunt, who lived at Ilkley, had several friends and they used to love to come down to Mowthorpe. They weren’t married and they used to come down and stay. One of them has just died, aged 98, and we’ve kept in touch. She used to send a letter and Christmas card to mum and dad and after that she started sending me one. And each Christmas that comes I think "I wonder if there’ll be a Christmas card from Vera". Anyway, I got one this year and then I saw it in the Yorkshire Post that she’d died. That’s another one taken at Mowthorpe. I’m a baby there. You can just see me, so that would have been taken in ’41. That’s my only cousin. As I say, he was 15 years older than me.

And three dogs. Did you have dogs? Were they working dogs?

Yes, they were. They were sheep dogs. To be fair, we never had a pet dog in the house at The Yews. Then when we got married we’ve always had dogs but I think mum had enough on her plate. We had dogs at the farm so ….

My mum used to say we’ve enough feet coming in and out without four more!

Going back to dances, I don’t know whether these photos are of any interest. There’s fancy dress! Every year, they used to have a gala in the Hall School grounds. This was before the playing fields, and there was always a fancy dress and my auntie from Ilkley she was always good at that and she used to get me … I can’t find my photograph of the Coronation. I know it was a bad day, it wasn’t a very nice day, and we met up at the Plump and we were all in fancy dress and it was miserable so we all had to go to the old, old village hall. I remember going there. And then we’d got a television previous to that, so all the family came.

Yes, I remember in our street there was one person with a television!

The first thing I remember on the television, when it was the old, old village hall they used to have a dance – I don’t know if it was every year, I remember a couple of years, on New Year’s Eve and there was a Mrs Hammond in the village who played the piano and a Mr Fairburn who was the manager of the Co-op, played the drums. They used to have this little dance in the village hall and I remember going with my mum and dad. I wasn’t very old. And Mr and Mrs Upex who lived at the top of the street, where the Barnitts live, they were the first in the village, well one of the first, we hadn’t got a television then and I remember them inviting us to go and watch the television. Isn’t it funny how you can remember – they didn’t have any lights on. When you watched television in them days, everything was in darkness. They weren’t very good pictures. And I remember trying to find our way in, into the room to watch the television for New Year’s Eve. It was special. And of course we spent quite a bit of time at Sheriff Hutton because my grandma … my grandma lived at Sheriff Hutton. My father, he came from Sheriff Hutton and all his brothers and sisters were farmers and still are – the cousins on my dad’s side. They were all boys, were the cousins. There’s two girls but they’re much younger than me so I didn’t really bother because, when you’re ten, five or six years is a big difference, isn’t it? When you’re older it isn’t, but they were a lot younger than me so I didn’t really associate with them a lot. But we used to go down to Sheriff Hutton, not every Sunday night but most Sunday nights, to see grandma ‘cos she’d lost her husband years and years before so she farmed on her own, so that was a family get together for the Armitages so we used to spend a lot of time with the Armitages down there. Oh, another thing I’ve just remembered: the choir. We were in the village choir. We used to go down every week, down to the Rectory. The vicar then was Mr Edwards and his wife. Mrs Hammond played the piano and Mrs Edwards taught us to sing and we used to practise down there. And we were in the choir every Sunday.

Oh, right, so they had girls in the choir, did they?

Yes! In fact, I would imagine that there would be more girls than boys. I remember Mrs Edwards taking us to York, round the walls.

And did you go to church regularly?

Yes, yes I din. We were obviously in the choir, but the family did. My mum was … I don’t think my dad was particularly "churchy", but he went on occasions, but my mum did.

And did she go in the morning or in the evening?

I think she went more in the evening because, in them days, you were a bit more "Sunday lunch" so she’d go at night. And she went to Communion, I remember, and one of my uncles, Uncle Bob, he was a big church goer. He was a church warden and he was big on the church. Well, he was big on everything really!

So you got married at 19?

No, I got engaged at 19 and we looked round for somewhere to live. I think the first year we didn’t do anything really, I remember looking ….. and then, what was the last Police House that we had, where the Edwards live now. We were just a bit late really. The Police bought that plot at the front. There was a right straight up to the back and they bought the front bit so we bought the back bit. £350 we paid for that site. You could have got three or four houses on it. Nowadays they probably would do. Where the Cox’s live. Meadowview, there. So we bought that piece of land and we started in March ’62 – that was the "topping out" ceremony (shows a photo) having a drink, when you’ve put the flag up and topped out the roof. Geoff built it on a night and weekends. I did all the labouring – I mixed all the cement and everything – yes, we did it ourselves. We had a little bit of help from a Mr Wilson, Frank Wilson – Geoff then worked for Goodwills builders in the village. He was a stonemason, he learned his trade with them, and he still worked for them then and Mr Wilson worked for them as well. So he came sometimes, and we paid him and he came to help us out on a night-time. We built it ourselves, and of course with dad being a joiner, that was handy. So we started in March ’62, every night and weekends, and of course ’62/’63 was that very hard winter. The frost lasted for months, and he started doing a bit of plastering on Christmas Eve, he finished work and he did a bit of plastering and we couldn’t go again till March. It was that long, hard winter so we couldn’t go anywhere near it, but we had it all finished, decorated, for August ’63 when we got married.

Where did you meet your husband?

In the village. Then, he only lived at Whenby.

So had you known him since he was a lad?

No, … he’s three years older than me. I only knew him from about 16, I didn’t know him previous to that. He remembers me, because his father did work for my uncle at Whenby on the farm and they lived in a house adjoining my uncle and auntie. They had seven children, the aunt and uncle, and he remembers me going with mum and dad down to see them. He said I was real bossy with the cousins! They were younger than me, but he can remember me bossing them about. Yes, I would have known him from when I was about 16 and he used to come to the dances and things.

Getting back to the war. Do you remember much about it?

No, I don’t really because we had no family involved with the war. In the First World War, yes, some of my uncles were in France, my mother’s brothers, but this war, no I don’t.

Can you remember any events that happened?

Obviously my father worked for this firm in York and actually he did work at Full Sutton Aerodrome doing maintenance during the war. He lodged and came home at weekends. Whether it was all of the war I can’t remember. But to be fair no, I don’t.

I heard that there was a crash somewhere?

There was, but I don’t remember anything about it. Down at the bottom of New Road, somewhere there. But no, I’m sorry, I don’t remember anything about it. ‘cos you see, I don’t, I aren’t five till the 28th December and I suppose you’d remember more if you had family away.

Well you very rarely remember much before the age of 3, 4, 5 so it’s not surprising ….

No, that’s right.

Do you think growing up in Terrington’s better or worse now than when you were a child?

I don’t know. There’s two sides to it really. I mean, we were content. We couldn’t go out of the village much, obviously. Yes, parents took us to things, but you couldn’t go out like they do nowadays and of course mothers didn’t drive, not many anyway, so you stayed in the village more. We were content, because we didn’t know anything else! That’s what you did. Nowadays, well they’ve got everything, haven’t they? Swimming lessons, dancing lessons, because they can go out in vehicles. I don’t know that they are any happier. We were certainly very happy.

Yes. No, I think having more things that you can do and buy doesn’t necessarily make you….

No, it doesn’t, because … I suppose nowadays they do expect more, but it’s the way they’re brought up. I have two grandchildren, and when we think what they do to what we did, well they do more altogether but that’s the way of the world, isn’t it? And it’s a matter of how your parents bring you up. Nowadays, in Terrington, yes. Everyone’s brought up well, aren’t they?

Yes, as far as I know!

As far as I know. You haven’t got the hooligans, the troublemakers in a village like this. It’s different maybe in towns

Pretty comfortable and..

That’s it. YOU haven’t got children going off the rails, getting in with bad crowds and things. It’s different in villages, isn’t it?

It is. So, let’s hope it’s recorded. 46 minutes. OK

16 March 2014 and this is Alan Baddeley signing off.

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